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Copo camaro (427) history on this track?
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Leonard Blevins



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: Copo camaro (427) history on this track? Reply with quote

Arrow Hello everyone, im new to this site. I am in my mid 40s and have no racing history under my belt. I have been fond of drag racing since the late 70s.I am a muscle car nut. I have owned many over the years. My question is: Anyone recall any Copo 427 camaros running on this track in 1969 and early 70s? Would love to here some stories. I own several 69 camaros. One being a copo and may have run at this track. Garnet red with simulated black top, cowl hood, no spoilers, mural painted on trunk lid, black interior, column shift automatic car.I have tracked the car back to 1980 from Mt Vernon,Oh. I live in Newark. Would love to know its racing history if it raced at this track. This car ring a bell with anyone? Anyone know of any other copo Camaros, Chevelles that may have run at this track? Question
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know of a Copo 69 that ran there. It was my uncle's, but I'm certain its not the one you have, because it is residing with it's owner in merry old England.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would your uncle be Jeff Murphy? He lives in England. I do not know him personally. He owns a sweet red 69 COPO. I beleive it was purchaced new from Walters Chevrolet in Hebron, Ohio.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please allow me to etter explain...my uncle used to own that car. A guy from England owns it now. While it is red, I know Larry Morgan used to own it, then it went to like Kansas or some state around there before this guy in England got it and shipped it across the ocean. The only other thing I know for sure is this guy doesn't have the original radiator for it because that's still in our posession as dad had it in his 68 until finally putting in an aluminum radiator a couple years ago.
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Leonard Blevins



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your reply KMJ_RacingZ350.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a red 69 COPO that sounds like your car that ran in the early 70's at Pacemakers in superstock. The car came from Walters Chev. in Hebron. The guy who owned it lived in Homer,I can't remember his name, I think it was Jim something.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim Cochran perhaps.... that would have been my uncle, outside of Homer right at the Knox/Licking county border, the old Sohio gas station. He may have run super stock, I'm not sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's him,is that the car that Larry ended up with and sold?
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Jim Cochran perhaps.... that would have been my uncle, outside of Homer right at the Knox/Licking county border, the old Sohio gas station. He may have run super stock, I'm not sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnor, thanks for your reply. Do you know of any track history this copo owned by cochran had? Question
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember that it came from Walters Chev., and Jim and Larry Elliot raced it, that's been so long ago, that's about all I can remember.
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jnor, thanks for your reply. Do you know of any track history this copo owned by cochran had? Question
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnor that is the car that Larry had for a short time. The gentleman that currently owns it in England has fixed it up quite a bit since then. He contacted my dad a few years back asking if we had any documentation as to what it ran, like ET slips and such. He also sent some pics to show how good the car looked. I asked dad what classes Jim ran with the copo and he said that Jim ran in A-stock and B-modified with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:40 pm    Post subject: copo Reply with quote

TED BARE USED TO RACE THE RUNNING BARE 69 427 COPO AT TRAILS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PACEMAKERS AT ONE TIME I BELIEVE HE HELD A STOCK RECORD WITH IT. LEW
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Thanks Lew. recall any details about the car? Color?, Automatic? Time frame?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: copo camaro Reply with quote

car was yellow, black interior ,4 speed, at the time he ran the trails and other tracks was in the 80's. i believe TED bought the car new.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all. I now own the car in question and it is indeed in England, but will come back Stateside when I move home, never fear.



I came on the site a while back, but I think it was just launched and there wasn't much on it. Glad to see others are as interested in the history as I am and that Michael Cochran has provided some facts about this great car.

I am lucky enough to have all of the original dealer paperwork from Walters Chevrolet, now Bowman Chevrolet, which is how I found Michael's uncle Jim, the original owner. John Bowman bought the dealership from Robert Walters in the 80s after rising through the sales ranks to become Sales Manager. After the dealership changed hands, his son went scrounging in the attic of the dealership and found all the old records, saving some of the hi-po stuff, in particular the COPO orders which he recognised as special. I understand that they sold Jim's Camaro and one Chevelle, as well as a second hand Yenko Camaro (which I incidentally have found an old classified ad for). The paperwork I've got includes the original handwritten dealer invoice, car shipper, carrier invoice, title documents, power of attorney, etc. all in the original filing envelope. I have also been in touch with Robert Walters who was kind enough to send me some original dealership stickers that they used on the tail pans and trunk lids of cars sold at the dealership.



The car is pretty unique in that it was ordered with the M20 wide ratio transmission. This transmission was originally thought to not be available with the L72 427 package for reliability reasons, but the documentation proves otherwise. It is my understanding that there is only one other documented M20 COPO car out of the several hundred known to exist. Jim has told me he had trouble keeping transmissions in the car and I don't doubt it. The car also has endura (rubber) front bumper, chrome appearance package, some interior wood grain pieces, AM radio (heavy) and rally wheels, but no console or gauge package, just speedo and fuel gauge. Clearly the car was bought to be a race car, but the trim choices are interesting.

The car was delivered to Jim directly at Pacemakers and turned twelves right away according to a statement I have from Larry Morgan. The car was delivered by then Sales Manager, Charlie Rihl, who some of you may remember as the driver of a very competitive 69 Camaro (Z28, I think) called the Hebron Hugger. Jim continued to race the car until he sold it to his cousin in 1974, who in turn traded it in for a ‘75 Monte Carlo(?!). Morgan clearly understood what COPOs were all about as he tracked the car down 14 years later a few miles up the road from him in New Albany, Ohio, with only 24,442 miles on the odometer. Morgan sold the car in 1992 to Gary Holub, an Iowa based collector.

I'm not clear on whether the car was restored by Morgan or Holub, but while owned by Holub the car won three consecutive Gold Spinners at Chevy Vettefest during 1992/1993. The car became Iowa-based collector Carl Stuber’s first COPO when he purchased it from Gary in early 1993 and it continued the string of show successes with First Place honors at Chevy Vettefest that November. Carl continued to own the car until I acquired it from him in the summer of 2002.

I have shown the car a bit here in England and it always draws a big crowd, especially when running. I also do drive the car a bit, since I think trailer queens miss the point, and the 1992 restoration is getting a bit tired, so why not, right? I have done a few things to put it back to the way Jim might of had it in late '69/'70. I've managed to find and install NOS period correct Sun blue line gauges and tach, Hurst Line-Loc, Hurst Gabriel rear drag shocks and Doug's Headers. I have also recently found a set of NOS JC Penney cheater slicks and mint condition Firestone Drag 500 front runners, which will go on period correct Cragar SS. I'm still trying to find a set of 15" x 7" or 8" Drag 500 rears that will fit under the wheel wells. All of this stuff can be taken back off again pretty easily if I want the car showroom again. Jim told me that the car came with Firestones, which makes putting it showroom a bit of a challenge - they don't reproduce the '69 year Firestone Wide Oval (the car has '70 version repros on it), so I have to find originals, which are as rare as hen's teeth. I am lucky enough to have found one NOS sticker tire and one mint tire that still has the mold nubbies on it.

Michael, I would be interested in anything your Dad might have related to the car - pictures, time slips, paperwork, parts, speeding tickets, anything... Your uncle thought there might be some stuff at your grandmother's house, including the original pistons, but he hasn't had time to check. I would also be interested in any memories that your dad or uncle might have about the way they modified the car, the fun they had with it anything. I had asked your uncle just to jot down anything that comes in his mind and send it to me, I'd encourage your dad to do the same.

I saw a comment on this site that said the history of Pacemakers is the people, the cars and the races. I agree with this philosophy. I think the history of the cars and the people that owned them is the really interesting stuff - sort of autmotive archaeology.

Oh, and I'd be interested in the radiator, of course! Very Happy

Regards,

Jeff
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